ownCloud development roadmap, future of ownCloud Classic versus OCIS

With OCIS beta now being released, I have some questions on the roadmap:

Can you already estimate when OCIS will reach stable status?

How /will ownCloud Classic continue? Will it be discontinued?

At the moment, ownCloud Classic is compatible to PHP 7.4 which will reach its EOL by the end of this year. So will ownCloud Classic get further compatibility to PHP 8.x soon?

Thank you and best regards,
Plastikschnitzer

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Hi Plastikschnitzer,

thanks for the questions.

oCIS stable status: This will happen later this year, probably during summer. We can not give a concrete day today because we want to make sure to release it with a high quality. As we are only at the beginning of the beta phase it is too early for concrete estimation.

How will ownCloud10 continue: That is answered in the FAQs here: Infinite Scale - the new cloud-native data platform (scroll down)
The bottomline is: Infinite Scale is a new product. It does not have an direct impact on the future of ownCloud10, which fulfills a different use case.

PHP8: Currently there are no plans to start working on PHP8 support. Even after the end of support upstream of PHP, there will be maintained versions of PHP 7.4 around from various distros. That should give plenty of time.
Please see Php version not compatible - #7 by jnweiger for more information.

best regards,

Klaas

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Thank you very much @dragotin for clarify on those things!

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To reemphasize the message about oC10: Here is the next version, released today: ownCloud Server 10.10.0 released

Enjoy!
Klaas

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Hello,

thanks for your answers, I was wondering about PHP 7.4 in a specific thread just like many other users, I guess.

If I understand well, oCIS / ownCloud 10 aren’t in conflict, oCIS won’t overshadow ownCloud 10.

I’m not sure to understand your position about PHP 8.0.
PHP 7.4 security fixes won’t be done by the official PHP team by the end of this year. It shouldn’t be up to the maintainers of distros to patch security fixes to PHP 7.4 because some softwares still require it.
It’s a bad habit and we’ll still have PHP 7.4 running in 10 years with all the security/migration problems :sweat:
Also, by the end of 2023, PHP 8.0 won’t be maintained anymore, my point is that time flies by and ownCloud 10 might lose users, because distros won’t package old PHP versions forever, at least they shouldn’t.
An interesting thread about PHP versions.

If oCIS was a replacement to ownCloud 10 it wouldn’t matter so much, we could wait for a migration documentation to move from ownCloud 10 to oCIS.

I quoted answers from this topic.

I understand your position but IMHO it’s not “good advises”.

a) Using PPA, even when it’s not coming from some unknown source, is not a good way to keep your system up to date nor secure. The maintainer could stop anytime its support, could inject backdoors or anything catchy, there could be packages conflicts, etc … At least on the Debian point of view I share. But the same problems could occur on Ubuntu.
b) Right, Ubuntu 20 will stick around for a while, but still PHP 7.4 shouldn’t be maintained once its EOL has been set officially.
c) Yes but see b)

My point is not to be a hassle, just could you consider adding PHP 8 support on the official roadmap to keep ownCloud 10 afloat ?
Thanks for the effort put in ownCloud.
Cheers.

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